If it's in the Latin/Roman script like English is, then I'd say that you can leave them as they are without translating them.
If it's in a completely different script, then I'd recommend using a translation in the main thread and putting original titles in a spoiler box [probably titled 'Original Song Titles' or something like that], or if there are no accurate translations then they can be romanised [you can still put original titles in a spoiler box].
Maybe [if you're familiar with the language] you can include a spoilered version of the thread in that language/script [like you see in my threads for Japanese, Korean & Russian vocalists].
I'm about halfway through notewatching my first couple of singers and was wondering if anyone had any tips on identifying speaking notes, which I guess by definition don't have a fixed frequency, and also notes buried deep within the harmony (most often low notes). Do you ever use analysis software?
As part of the shift in the site's increasing ambivalence towards voice types, we've removed the clause concerning them from the Tutorial OP. The "Voice Types and How to Classify" thread has also been retired. This does not mean you're expected to get rid of the voice types in your threads, but we're attempting to officially remove our endorsement of their usage as well.
I recommend staying tuned for more discussion on what will and/or will not change in future threads.
Can we disclose (in our range thread tutorial/how to tweak your thread too) that the use of 'standard' voice types (i.e Bass·Baritone·Tenor·Contralto·Mezzo-soprano·Soprano, discounting subtypes of Fach or jokes), is 'neither endorsed nor particularly practical, but permitted nonetheless.' Something along those lines? Ruling out joke voice types did get wider support accross the userbase than eliminating all 'standard' voice types, so continuing making the distinction between the two and being softer towards 'standard' voice types makes sense IMO. I know that the likes of myself and galaxyseal would prefer this (others too), with the suggested softer approach.
The "Guidelines and Reminders" bit now includes,
• As of this post the staff are attempting to officially remove our endorsement of classifying our singers in terms of voice types. While you're not strictly banned from using this method, you will be expected to know what you're talking about and to take responsibility for any arguments that may arise from your usage of a certain voice type.
About "scale notes": so if a singer hits in a same phrasing 3 high notes, should only the highest count? Or the most "important"?
Generally the highest will be the counted one, yeah, unless a note below that in the passage is boldworthy, in which case both that and the highest note could be counted (assuming all the notes are countable to begin with). If it's literally a scale or a slide or something along those lines then the highest should be counted.
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I don't know if it's the right place to say it, so forgive me if it's not, but I wanted to tell that I'm taking over the Jorja Smith thread, with the permission of BananaBaritone. Just wanted to tell, because we didn't want to do something that could be considered illegal haha
What might have been and what has been point to one end, which is always present.
I don't know if it's the right place to say it, so forgive me if it's not, but I wanted to tell that I'm taking over the Jorja Smith thread, with the permission of BananaBaritone . Just wanted to tell, because we didn't want to do something that could be considered illegal haha
Thank you for alerting us. Just for future reference, though, the thread in which you announce thread takeovers/claims would be this one.
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Just thought I'd inform those unaware that there's been some clarifications concerning thresholds, courtesy of The Long Shot and Alex61.
Where do I start? Make sure the singer doesn't already have a thread! Search in both "Vocalist/Research Discussion" and "New/Incomplete Threads" (or use the green search button up top on desktop), and post in the Singer Index and Threadless Singers thread.
First you want to look at the singer in question. Based on their relative vocal placement (not necessarily their voice type but what their voice sounds like), you want to type out the notes you'll bother typing out as you hear them. Looking at existing threads is a great way to figure this out, but it still might not always be clear why different threads have thresholds starting at different places.
The kind of things you should consider are: • (Rough) vocal placement -- this is intuitive enough, but you probably don’t want to start the significant highs for a soprano at G4, and probably don’t start the significant lows for a bass at G3 • Where the singer tends to sing most -- for example, someone like Freddie Mercury would probably not be considered one of the highest-placed male singers on the forum, but because he sings in the upper fourth/lower fifth octave on an extremely frequent basis, it makes little sense to start his highs any lower than A4 • What notes tend to sound "significant" -- are they using this note in a climactic way in phrases? Are there a number of songs where the singer peaks/bottoms at this note? • Whether a singer's vocal placement has changed over time -- for example, a singer’s voice lowering to where F4 becomes a more "significant" note for them, when it might not have been in the past • How far apart a singer's thresholds are -- this isn't quite as important as the above criteria, but it should still factor in nonetheless. Female singers tend to have a threshold gap of roughly an octave (B3/C5, for example) while men usually have a littleover an octave (D3/G4, for example). Do bear in mind that this will highly depend on the singer, however.
General Notes For high notes, singers on the lower end of each spectrum will likely have particularly low set voices or be generally more conservative with their use of high notes. Singers on the higher end are likely to have fairly high voices placement-wise. Singers somewhere in the middle could be either singers who aren't noticeably high or low placement-wise, higher-placed singers who might be a bit more boxed-in in how they use their upper register, lower-placed singers who have quite extensive upper registers or singers whose voices have changed somewhat over time. Female significant high thresholds tend to start between A4 and C5 (occasionally lower, for very low-voiced singers like Nina Simone). Male thresholds vary a fair bit more, but can start anywhere from A3 (for singers like Johnny Cash) to D4 (for singers like Frank Sinatra) to A4 (for singers like Robert Plant).
For lows, similar rules apply. Singers who are particularly highs-focused will probably end up with their lows starting on the higher end of the spectrum, as will high-placed singers or singers with unconfident lower registers. Conversely, lower-placed singers or singers with strong lower registers will end up with lower thresholds. Lower thresholds for women start between G3 and B3. Again, male thresholds vary more; the highest they generally start is E3 (though it can be higher, for singers like Glenn Hughes who seldom sing low), while some start at B2 (i.e, Elvis Presley) and some lower than that (for example, Leonard Cohen).
That said, you should only consider the bigger picture when deciding thresholds, NOT a very specific amount of time the singer was active, so that you don't end up with a very uneven amount of notes for certain sections which ends up misrepresenting the singer's career as a whole. Previous eras of TRP have tended to neglect singers’ evolutions in favor of prioritising their vocal peaks, and our hope is that we can provide a bit more of a balanced look towards singers’ careers than we have in the past. For that reason, you might want to consider your thresholds as you notewatch, especially if you're a bit unfamiliar with the singer (or at least, their entire discography).
Post by Rodney Razorshorts on Jun 20, 2019 18:37:05 GMT
I am I of course not familiar with his catalogue, but it seems extremely odd for his thresholds to start as low and high as they do considering his very impressive extension in both ends, even acknowledging his sweeping falsetto range.
Post by aliensweetheart on Jun 22, 2019 21:43:04 GMT
Prince is a rather special case. With regard to the 'significant lower notes' threshold, I'm not entirely sure why you'd consider D3 to be a particularly high threshold. Considering Prince's modal speaking voice, which was baritone-like low, but not as profound as Elvis Presley, Johnny Cash, Frank Sinatra... The threshold there could have been dropped to C♯3 or maybe even to C3, but I still think "overincluding" should not be an issue at all. As to his 'significant higher notes' threshold, Prince's true belting was extremely limited (highest belts around A4?), it therefore makes complete sense to start the threshold at F♯4. Just imagine you're notewatching a singer who doesn't have such an extremely impressive falsetto as Prince does and whose highest belted notes would only be A4, too. Would you not lower the threshold too something like F4, F♯4? I think that the thread looks somewhat overwhelming due to Prince's extensive falsetto range and comprehensive discography, not due to the high and low thresholds, per se.