Cool, well that looks significantly better overall now at least. However, one other pointer I must make is that if the B♭5 from the live version of "Fairy Tale" is from this performance, that's not Andre. He had left the band by that point.
Which leaves us with the "G1"s in rescue... After listening to those again I have no idea why they are there. I remember someone was trying to pitch them but they seem pitchless growl vocals to me. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNVj08apkN0 it's the stuff at 2:27 and 4:36. I could play around and try to peel off some layers to hear the vocals better if there's some vocal fry among the growls but 1: I'm 100% sure these are not melodic notes in any way and 2: even if there is something, it's nanosecond crackles. Removed.
Yeah, these notes have no clear pitch to them whatsoever, and I'm not even sure if they're his voice. So definitely not worth including in the OP.
The C1 is a growly slide that he sometimes does in live performances of Foxy Lady (on "Here I come baby"). The original vid is down, but it sounded a bit like this (I think this one might travel a bit lower, actually).
Holy fuck, that sounded like at least an E1! Hard to tell with the sound quality, but I wouldn't call that any growlier than his other live slides down to those kinds of notes. Sounds like the same approach he takes towards a lot of his other mid first octave notes.
From what I can tell the note from Please Don't Go barely touches G1 at the beginning before quickly sliding up to A1.
I hear how it slides back up, but I wouldn't say it's too brief to qualify. You can still pick out that note as part of the melody he's singing, which is what matters to me when it comes to this kind of stuff.
None of this is correct and you're a terrible person for saying so. Die in a fire.
I did not claim it is, hence the question marks on those that were never decided on... but they do exist and some people care, not everyone who visits TRP is a "vocal fry and growl doesn't count" person. Furthermore, they were previously listed and debated in his threads on the older TRP forums, I did not make a single note in that part up. I even omitted notes that are just too short to be relevant. They are there in case anyone would want to open that discussion again.
I can dismiss a few of them offhand, since I was the one who originally added them way back in 2011 when we were on TRP1 and counting milisecond fry notes as range: - The "Innocence" F2 is a total nanonote. Nothing below G2 in that song. - The "More" A1 is just nanocrusis cracklefry as he's sliding up to the actual sung notes in that section. That song bottoms at B♭2. - The "Living for the Night" D2 is one that I'd actually agree with having listed as a questionable note, because none of us have ever been able to figure that one out. Definitely a solid note, but we really have no idea if it's him singing it or not. So yeah, that one can stay where it is.
Link to the alleged first octave notes in "Rescue"? As I recall those were mostly nanonote crackles as well.
For example rio's G1: youtu.be/1o18BYOPHqo?t=120 (at timestamp provided) that's probably him, but it's a pure vocal fry note, obviously not part of his full range and there was half a page of discussion about what note it is...
Hm, this is interesting actually. G1 seems to be the right pitch, and it's a melodic note of some sort, but...I'm not so sure it's voice? Probably wouldn't have even considered it if you hadn't said so.
Also FYI, the "Remember Why" F♯2 is a sung note, but very brief and one that I've considered deleting myself. And the "When the Sun Cried Out" G♯2s are spoken.
Hmmm, I kinda dismissed the first ones because they're so weak and hard to really put a precise pitch on. I think of those as more just random screamed notes, but the ones at 2:21 are definitely legit E5s.
I can agree with it being his "bulletproof" range, but if we're going to be spoilering examples of certain notes because we don't think they reflect his abilities well enough, we should at least be consistent about it. Like I don't see how those first octave spoken passages are any less countable than the ones in "A Winter's Dream Pt. 1", "Romeo Delight", "The End of Innocence", etc. If anything they're considerably stronger than some of those.
Was gonna make the same argument about some of the more "shouty" highs that resemble the "Romeo Delight" F♯5, but it looks like you've already destroyed those so you've got me there. Though the "Angel Sky" E5 should probably be lumped into that as well while you're at it.
Eh, yeah I can see how that's really borderline. Reminds me of when we were trying to find a solid E2 clip by Blaze Bayley, and all the ones we could find just ALMOST made it down there. Oh well.
Anyway, what was the logic in counting C♯2 as the lowest unquestionable note in "Dawn Patrol"? I can see how some of the lower fry notes were too weak to merit regular inclusion; I'm just curious as to why the line was drawn specifically there.
Also, the studio version of "Mary Jane" has unquestionable D5s at the ending too, so no need to denote the live version for that pitch in the OP.
That's cool, I think I recall seeing someone claim the "Mr. Tinkertrain" E♭2s were Zakk Wylde somewhere once, so it's possible that both of those could be considered questionable. There is also that one interview clip where he demonstrates the "Iron Man" intro in a pseudo-robot voice and gets down to E♭2 with it, but I dunno if you'd wanna count that.
As for "The Thrill of It All", I can see how those notes give the illusion of E♭5s because that's what note would fit there key-wise, but he actually sings it as a minor third instead of a major one, giving the vocal line that kind of bluesy sound. If he sang it as a major third like the key would suggest, it would sound much brighter and happier.
Where in "Losing My Senses" does he actually make it down to E2? I've come back to that song a number of times and found several spots where it sounds like he SHOULD have hit an E2, but ends up in whisper before he gets down there.
For the most part though, I actually agree with the majority of the notes that were ruled out as being questionable in this thread.
Nice job beefing up the fourth octave and third octave sections of this thread! Dunno if I'd consider him someone whose lows need to start as high as E3, but I won't object to it.
What happened to the spoken E2 from his cover of "Iron Man" with Therapy? though? Solid note, and a rare case of him going that low. Also I'd consider the "The Thrill of It All" top notes being counted as E♭5s a past pitching mistake on my part. Listening back to them now, they're much more clearly D5s.
What the hell is questionable about the "Prisoner of Love" F♯5?! That's one of his most impressive high notes!
I don't see how the G♯5s in "Always Near You/Nowhere to Hide" aren't sung either. They're straight trills from the F♯5s; just short ones. Likewise for the "Betrayed" D5 - solid sung note; it just happens to be a short trill up from a C5.
There's a whole bunch of G5s missing too that really aren't questionable at all.
I guess this is what happens when I leave the forum for a year and a half.
Okay yeah, I hear the "G1" now but it is way more of a nanonote than I realized. If you try to trace a melody through that line, you really won't pick up on anything getting lower than A1 - you'll only hear the G1 if you pause in the middle of that specific note and hear the very brief slide he gets below it. So I say we should just count it as a sung/rapped A1 and get rid of the G1 entirely.
Either way, listing that song as having a non-sung/rapped G1 is just misleading on all counts.
I was about to argue what you said about it being brief, but then I took a relisten to the song and realized I couldn't actually pick out where it was. Now I'm hearing both verses bottom mostly at A1, so someone help me figure out where this note was supposed to be!
With that said, if an entire passage is sung or rapped, an individual note's length within it shouldn't be the determiner between whether it gets counted as sung or not. The whole passage is sung/rapped; if the G1 is too brief it should just not be counted full stop rather than italicized. Consistency yo.